Episode 3

Nice White Ladies Pay To Get Called Racist Over Dinner


April 6th, 2020

46 mins 34 secs

Your Hosts

About this Episode

Jesse has a bad cough. Is it coronavirus, or just Jewishness? Katie, meanwhile, isn't quite sure what plant she turned into tea last week. Will either cohost outlive April? We'll see soon enough. In the meantime, the hosts debate whether coronavirus will kill the online culture wars, then segue accidentally into a discussion of gender identity and the complicated ways in which attempts to reduce misgendering can lead, as Katie has experienced, to yet more misgendering. Then Jesse complains about the Twitter cops who came at Jill Filipovic for her perfectly accurate tweet about the Spanish Legion (being hot), and both cohosts struggle to wrap their minds around the phenomenon of nice white ladies paying Sairo Rao and Regina Jackson to come to dinner at their houses and call them racist.

Show notes:

-How This Nonbinary Woman Created the Queerest Cartoon on Television (them)

-Rebecca Sugar Opens Up About Being Non-binary (Pride)

-"They" Is a Fine Pronoun, But It Ain't Mine (The Stranger)

-ContraPoints and the Scandal That Shouldn’t Be (Arc Digital)

-Jill Filipovic on the Spanish Legion (Twitter)

-Zoé Samudzi on (God help us) Jill Filipovic on the Spanish Legion (Twitter)

-Why liberal white women pay a lot of money to learn over dinner how they're racist (The Guardian)

-White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by Robin DiAngelo (Amazon)

-Race Experts: How Racial Etiquette, Sensitivity Training, and New Age Therapy Hijacked the Civil Rights Revolution by Elisabeth Lasch-Quinn (Amazon)