Episode 50

Could Detransitioners Be Any More Bigoted? (With Detransitioner Carey Callahan)


February 8th, 2021

1 hr 6 mins 15 secs

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About this Episode

After Jesse tells Katie a touching story about shoveling food into his face-hole, and the hosts discuss his latest Twitter-feud -- this one with a noted New Yorker food critic (not staff writer) -- the hosts unpack a Slate article about detransition that seems geared at painting that community in a particularly negative and reactionary light. But Carey Callahan, a detransitioner, therapist, and activist (who, to be fair, Katie and Jesse already knew before this all popped up), doesn't think this is a fair assessment, so she joins the pod for a conversation about her own experiences and what she thinks the Slate article misses.

Show notes/Links:

Jesse criticizes Helen: https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1354851768090439684

Helen's thoughtful response forces Jesse to reconsider his position:



The Slate article about detransitioners: https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/02/detransition-movement-star-ex-gay-explained.html

Katie's detrans article: https://www.thestranger.com/features/2017/06/28/25252342/the-detransitioners-they-were-transgender-until-they-werent

Jesse's detrans article: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/07/when-a-child-says-shes-trans/561749/

Carey Callahan's excellent stuff:

Twitter: https://twitter.com/CareyCallsBS

The Economist: https://www.economist.com/open-future/2019/12/03/gender-identity-is-hard-but-jumping-to-medical-solutions-is-worse