After Katie opens up about a gruesome injury and Jesse tells a story about a listener's travails at an upscale New York City climbing gym, the hosts discuss Jesse's book, which is out on Tuesday. Specifically, they dig into Comprehensive Soldier Fitness, an anti-PTSD Army program that doesn't work, and the implicit association test, an anti-racism test that... doesn't work. Also, it turns out both hosts are kinda scared of bridges, which feels like something they should dig into at some later date.
Jesse's AMA on the subreddit about the book:
Jesse's article on the implicit association test:
Jesse on the contact hypothesis:
The Robin DiAngelo episode:
The Robin DiAngelo bonus episode, which is an interview between Katie and a survivor of one of these trainings:
Kelefa Sanneh on This American Life on diversity trainings: