January 25th, 2021 | 56 mins 55 secs
ethan watters, interview, moral panics, recovered memories
Katie and Jesse bring on Ethan Watters, an author and freelance journalist who helped debunk the recovered-memory craze back in the 1990s, to discuss the most recent development in that area: an article in The Cut that Watters does not think does a good and accurate job relating the (scant) scientific evidence for recovered memories. The hosts and Watters also discuss certain arguable therapeutic parallels between the recovered-memory movement and treatment for youth gender dysphoria, as well as the general tendency of liberals to violate their "We <3 Science" stance fairly regulary when moral outrage is afoot.
September 21st, 2020 | 1 hr 2 secs
culture wars, cuties, elizabeth nolan brown, interview, pedophilia
Katie and Jesse discuss the online outrage surrounding the French film 'Cuties,' which has slightly more underage twerking than most 2020 cinematic releases. How did this film come to unite such a broad swath of people in disgust? Then the hosts speak with Reason's Elizabeth Nolan Brown about the broader American sex-trafficking panic that seems to partly explain the reaction to 'Cuties.' Plus: the science of pedophilia.
September 8th, 2020 | 36 mins 25 secs
grandstanding, interview, justin tosi, online outrage, philosophy
Jesse interviews Justin Tosi, a philosopher at Texas Tech University and the author, with Brandon Warmke, of the new book Grandstanding: The Use and Abuse of Moral Talk. In a patrons-only segment that follows their discussion of the book, Jesse and Justin move on to a broader conversation about the current, precarious moment for open inquiry in academia, as well as the turn toward activism in philosophy that has Justin worried about his field.
July 28th, 2020 | 28 mins 34 secs
education, freddie deboer, interview, mental health, social media
In an excerpt of a patrons-only episode we're releasing as a bonus, Jesse and Freddie deBoer discuss the ways in which Twitter seems to worsen some people's mental health, deBoer's own struggles with bipolar disorder, the false accusation he knowingly leveled against the journalist Malcolm Harris, and more.
July 27th, 2020 | 50 mins 31 secs
books, education, freddie deboer, interview
Katie recounts a listener complaint and the cohosts announce a new focus for the podcast. Then, the bulk of the episode consists of an interview Jesse conducted with Freddie deBoer, a brilliant thinker and writer whose first book, "The Cult of Smart: How Our Broken Education System Perpetuates Social Injustice," is a searing indictment of the American education system's most entrenched orthodoxy: the idea that just about any child can succeed academically.
July 2nd, 2020 | 32 mins 44 secs
blm, interview, jesse only, liberalism, online outrage, online shaming, yascha mounk
Jesse interviews Yascha Mounk about the threats liberalism is facing from both the left and the right, and Yascha introduces a new platform he is launching to help stem the tide. In the full, patrons-only episode, the duo also discuss Yascha's great but infuriating article in The Atlantic, "Stop Firing the Innocent," the origins of the gender wage gap, antifa, the racial politics of police reform, and more. Make sure to check out persuasion.community, which should be live by the time you read this.
[BONUS EPISODE] "What a stupid f*cking way to have a really important conversation": Reflections On A Yearlong White Fragility Training
June 22nd, 2020 | 46 mins 4 secs
con, diversity, grift, interview, robin diangelo, scam
In this episode, we hear from a woman who was forced to go through a year of equity, diversity, and inclusion training with none other than Robin "No White Tears" DiAngelo, best-selling author and the subject of Episode 17. (We recommend you give that one a listen before you dive into this shit show.) Discussed: white guilt, secret Nazi iconography, and how Diangelo is conning white-collar progressive in the name of equity and justice.